(2011-10-28 12:43:24)UberSanta Wrote:  Actually they can sue.

If a bot is being used to make GP, then selling it on for RL cash, then it's RWT, which they can sue for.

Although it might be hard for them to track down which site the GP was sold to/from.

I also reckon that with Jagex's finances, they have some big-wig lawyer who knows more than we do about copyright infringements.

Please also remember that RS is ran with RuneScript which is copyrighted, so anyone copying that into a bot to use is breaking the law.

Quote:Threatening Emails
On Tuesday, October 25th, Jagex contacted many of our customers via email stating that they had "strong evidence that you may have purchased and used botting software in the past, specifically ibot software". The email later goes on to threaten that if you do not stop botting you may be named in a lawsuit based on DMCA violations which is pending in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California. Since then, there have been many rumors spreading throughout the community as to how Jagex got a hold of, and planned to use this information.

Earlier this year, Jagex's lawyers subpoenaed PayPal for information regarding purchase information of bot customers. Knowing how sensitive this information is, and how much we care about our customers, our lawyers immediately responded to this subpoena to question their intentions. Their lawyers specifically made it clear that this information would not be shown to any Jagex employees. To ensure this, we filed a protective order on the information with the courts to make it illegal for their lawyers to show any of the information to Jagex employees.

Later this summer, Jagex illegally circumvented the protective order. To dupe the courts, Jagex filed a separate suit in the California Federal Court (Jagex Limited vs. John Does). The courts in the State of California did not know about the protective order, and granted Jagex's lawyers access to the PayPal information again with another subpoena for that case. Of course, this time, there was no protective order. This is a mockery of the U.S. legal system.

We were not made aware of these actions by Jagex until we learned of the emails going out this past Tuesday. Since then, our lawyers have been preparing an emergency motion to submit to the courts explaining what Jagex has done, and the demands we have regarding their actions. This filing was submitted to the courts and made public today. The filing can be publicly read from a PDF document here. If this interests you, we encourage you to read and then re-read this filing for a full perspective on the situation (case filing starts on page 5).

A notable summary of the demands made in the filing are as follows:
Ordering Jagex to dismiss the case in the State of California (Jagex vs. John Does).
Ordering Jagex to immediately destroy any and all information obtained from the PayPal subpoena.
Ordering Jagex to take no action against any of the customers or RS accounts of the customers that they received from the subpoena.
Ordering Jagex to resend an email to all affected customers retracting the statements made in the email sent out earlier this Tuesday and to publicly post an apology on their main websites stating the same.
All demands can be found within the filing on pages 26-27.

It is also noteworthy that this filing is a motion to file an extended motion, so it will not contain all exhibit information. The full motion, including all exhibits, should be available Monday. We will follow up with a link to that filing when it becomes publicly available as well. Being an emergency motion, a decision of these demands by the Judge should be made within the following week. The maximum decision time is two weeks.

In conclusion, nothing is more important to us than our customers. We have and always will fight to protect our customers in every way possible. We are extremely apologetic for any ill-concerns this mess may have caused you. We hope by publicly keeping you informed on the situation, you all will understand this very important fact.

Quote:Hi guys,

I had to make an account and post because all I see here is 13 year old uneducated guesses at what is legal and what is not. Let's start off with the basics ok.

U.S. District Court
California Northern District (San Francisco)
CIVIL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 3:09-cv-05285-BZ

Take note: The Court case has been filed within US jurisdiction. Jagex does not have to fly all defendants to Cambridge, they have taken the war to them. Secondly, Jagex is using a US law firm to do this alongside their in-house legal advisers.

PAYPAL: I have read some people here, acting like lawyers themselves and claiming that Jagex getting hold of your personal information through Paypal and other organisations is a breach of privacy. It isn't and here is why;

Subpeona duces tecum; this is the legal term for a plaintiff to request documents (email adresses, names, phone numbers, the list goes on) from an organisation (in this case Paypal, PayByCash etc). Jagex had every right to obtain this information to name multiple defendants in this law case.

MINORS: Take note on this one, there is a clear distinction between civil and criminal law. This case is purely civil law where the plaintiff is sueing multiple defendants for damages on breach of copyright (NOT TOS ok, DCMA laws). The fact that a defendant may be 6 years old, 10 years old or 22 years old is irrelevant, they will still get fined. The difference is, minors can expect the minimum fine of 500 USD whereas defendants over the age of 18 can expect the fine to range from 500 USD to 2500 USD based on their means of income.

BLUFFING: This email, which was required by law to be sent (it is literally a cease and desist letter) has been sent to tens of thousands of people. If only 1000 people continue botting after this (I expect more to) then this will be a million dollar + reward in damages to Jagex. This is no bluff, this is a strategic move to not only prevent botting but to grab a nice paycheck. So take note if you want to call their bluff.

Quote:Hi,

A couple of myths to dispel here:

1 - Proxies don't hide you as well as you might think.

2 - We wouldn't gather information for a legal case illegally. That would be beyond silly.

Thanks,

Mod Chrisso